tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5695813850715269190.post2263300863453782583..comments2024-02-12T13:31:38.266+01:00Comments on Politics, Economy, Society: The pension debate - part 2student SGHhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01367244307612092688noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5695813850715269190.post-48996610563144146582011-03-28T20:26:53.652+02:002011-03-28T20:26:53.652+02:00Sorry for breaking it down into three comments, th...Sorry for breaking it down into three comments, there are other, more urgent duties along the way.<br /><br />Of course there were many truths, such as the ever-recurring example of ballooning bereaucracy. Tusk's and Rostowski's consciences are not clear, but think how other parties would lead Poland through the crisis.<br /><br /><i>and Michał's too :)</i><br /><br />I unwittingly sniggerred while reading this wish. And I wonder why...<br /><br />Adthelad, are you satsified with my (I think) quite comprehensive response, do you want to ask any questions or take issue with me?<br /><br />Best wishes!student SGHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01367244307612092688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5695813850715269190.post-19848527458341986562011-03-28T20:07:45.492+02:002011-03-28T20:07:45.492+02:00Wielokrotnie oświadczałam, że w OFE są prywatne pi...<i>Wielokrotnie oświadczałam, że w OFE są prywatne pieniądze obywateli.</i><br /><br />A very interesting definition of 'private money'. You can't use it at your discretion, you have no influence on how it is invested.<br /><br />If you have your car, i.e. it was bought by you, paid for with your money and registered on you, but the state does not allow you to drive it, it is your still your private car...<br /><br /><i>Natomiast składka rentowa tworzy inny zasób.</i>.<br /><br />Yes, <i>fundusz rentowy</i> is a separate fund in the social security system, where contributions cover around 60% of benefits, becuase contributions were cut. The rest does not come from heaven, but is paid from collected taxes of financed from running up debts.<br /><br /><i>sukcesem rządu Jarosława Kaczyńskiego było to, że przy niskiej inflacji i wysokim wzroście gospodarczym stać nas było jednocześnie na obniżanie tempa zadłużania państwa i obniżanie deficytu sektora finansów publicznych.</i><br /><br />Again, much more could be done when the economic situation was so good.<br /><br /><i>Kiedy Jarosław Kaczyński był premierem tempo zadłużania państwa radykalnie spadło i równie radykalnie zmniejszył się deficyt. Ale teraz sytuacja jest bardzo trudna.</i><br /><br />Should Jarosław Kaczyński be credited with this. Ireland, today hit by the crisis, ran budget surpluses in its best years. Poland didn't, although it could.<br />We can blame Mr Tusk for a large chunk of the public debt we current are burdened with. But the government of PiS is to blame for around 100 billion PLN and PO is to blame to another 100 billion PLN. And I don't think it is fair to compare rule of PiS when the economy was booming and rule of PO, when world economy has been hit by the biggest crisis since decades.student SGHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01367244307612092688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5695813850715269190.post-8279658933101609812011-03-28T19:39:23.676+02:002011-03-28T19:39:23.676+02:00@adthelad
I'm glad to satisfy your curiosity ...@adthelad<br /><br />I'm glad to satisfy your curiosity :)<br /><br /><i>zgadzam się z prof. Krzysztofem Rybińskim, że w tej dyskusji obywatele zostali potraktowani jak stado baranów.</i><br /><br />Prof. Rybinski did not give people any choice, he compelled them to stay in pension funds. In fact government's idea does not give any choice...<br /><br /><i>Obywatele powinni mieć wybór nie tylko w sprawie "gdzie odkładać swoje pieniądze na emerytury", ale także "jak te pieniądze odkładać".</i><br /><br />Pragmatism. If people could choose not to pay to ZUS at all, where would the state take the money to pay benefit to current pensioners from? The state has undertaken obligations towards its citizens and now, if it is not financed from our contributions, then from higher taxes.<br /><br /><i>Premier podaje nierzetelne dane, bo zadłużenie Polski nie wynosi 700 mld zł, a ponad 800…</i><br /><br />I find it a bit infuriating when Mrs Gilowska speaks about public debt, because she, as finance minister contributed to it. Deficit in social security system and in budget is a result of reckless policy pursued in 2006 and 2007 (PO also are to blame) - it is estimated that tax revenues would be around 40 billion PLN higher, if it hadn't been for the tax cuts that came into effect in 2009. The amount is higher than budget deficit planned for 2011 and not much lower than budget deficit in 2010. The effect on economy is negligible (I think GDP growth pace would have been slower by 0.5 percentage points if it hadn't been for tax cuts), the effects on public finances are pitiable. In 2006 and 2007 public debt rose by 50 billion zlotys; when the economy was booming it should decline by 50 billion PLN...<br /><br /><i>Gdyby OFE nie kupowało tych obligacji, to kupiłby je ktoś inny. W tym sensie OFE są przydatne, jako taki spolegliwy wierzyciel.</i><br /><br />Home truth! I should have mentioned it!<br /><br /><i>Gdybym w 2006 r. zrobiła to co dziś robi rząd, to byśmy uzyskali nadwyżkę w sektorze finansów publicznych zamiast małego deficytu (1,9% PKB). Ale to nie wchodziło w grę, ponieważ uważałam i nadal uważam, że w OFE są prywatne pieniądze obywateli, i rządowi nic do nich, chyba że obywatele sami się zgodzą na jakieś przesunięcia. Indywidualnie! To obywatele składają do OFE własne pieniądze, co miesiąc!</i><br /><br />Regardless of the pension system reform there were other ways to generate budget surpluses. Another person to reject ryuling of the Supreme Court and the Constitution.student SGHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01367244307612092688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5695813850715269190.post-83038369605498800052011-03-28T10:53:15.911+02:002011-03-28T10:53:15.911+02:00I'd be very interested in your opinion regardi...I'd be very interested in your opinion regarding Zyta Gilowska's interview on onet<br /><br />http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/tylko-w-onecie/gilowska-obywatele-zostali-potraktowani-jak-stado-,1,4223627,wiadomosc.html<br /><br />and Michał's too :)adtheladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11547876597884642821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5695813850715269190.post-21093889113641819282011-03-27T20:12:55.185+02:002011-03-27T20:12:55.185+02:00@arturrrrrrr
fixed!
@Michael
95% of Poles don'...@arturrrrrrr<br />fixed!<br /><br />@Michael<br />95% of Poles don't understand or misunderstand what is going on about pension reform, this is a real disaster. I supposed you weren't really interested in the issue, as it does not affect you, but I thought you weren't in the group of people who can't find their way around it.<br /><br />I would be very careful with praising the posts. They are slightly biased (I share my own opinions and try to present views of both sides of the dispute) and the issue was put in a nutshell, but the outcome is very long, yet as concise as it can be.<br /><br />My pension is in... What pension?student SGHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01367244307612092688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5695813850715269190.post-18843883551740319852011-03-27T19:44:08.589+02:002011-03-27T19:44:08.589+02:00Bravo Bartek! Finally, at long last, I'm begin...Bravo Bartek! Finally, at long last, I'm beginning to see what all the fuss is about. Poland's daily newspapers and TV news channels have failed to present this issue with such clarity.<br /><br />And I thank God my pension pot is in the UK!Michael Dembinskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05657728002439035765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5695813850715269190.post-24004423952088409582011-03-27T19:32:22.858+02:002011-03-27T19:32:22.858+02:00Can you please correct your link to the IMF articl...Can you please correct your link to the IMF article? It doesn't work in my browser.arturrrrrrrnoreply@blogger.com